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Post by chayan on Dec 3, 2010 5:03:13 GMT -5
Albany Med called me for a job interview. I took the bus for 3 hours (6 hour round trip) for an interview and didn't get the job.
I wasn't really too keen on moving to Albany, and their pay was also very low, so I probably would have turned down the job anyway. Still, I'd rather be the one turning them down than the other way around. Now I wonder if there was anything I said wrong during the interview...
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Post by achot on Dec 4, 2010 16:33:13 GMT -5
Probably not, its not great to go second guessing yourself. There are great interview tips for nurses on the internet. Its worthwhile brushing up on them. Good luck and all the best
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Post by chayan on Dec 4, 2010 19:31:53 GMT -5
I really don't think it was the way I interviewed. It was either a. they sensed I wasn't really committed to moving to Albany, or b. I mentioned that I wouldn't work on Fri night or Sat. If I really wanted the job I wouldn't have said anything until I had an offer in hand..
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Post by Rivka P on Dec 4, 2010 23:16:11 GMT -5
yah the whole sabbath thing isn't a selling point. Hospitals are 24/7 operations, so they really want people who are flexible and available. Unfortunately, it's quite tricky figuring out when the best time to tell them about your religious practices, because you do also want to be honest and fair. check out the shabbos and yomtov post in the halacha and minhag section.
Hatzlocha with your job search!
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Post by chayan on Dec 4, 2010 23:45:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll have to go back and reread it. I read it while I was in school but I wasnt' job searching at the point so it wasn't really l'maaseh. It would make me feel a lot better if I was turned down due to Shabbos rather than because they didnt' like the way I looked or something I said. By the way this topic just came up on hashkafah.com (another Jewish forum I frequent -- check it out!) www.hashkafah.com/index.php?/topic/70006-my-non-jewish-friend-is-pissed-at-me/ |
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Post by achot on Dec 5, 2010 5:17:26 GMT -5
I really don't think it was the way I interviewed. It was either a. they sensed I wasn't really committed to moving to Albany, or b. I mentioned that I wouldn't work on Fri night or Sat. If I really wanted the job I wouldn't have said anything until I had an offer in hand.. Boy, thats an ethical question that could see you fired and blacklisted. As a nurse who interviews and decides on the nurses to hire I would be furious if a nurse is asked on interview if she has special requests and circumstances and waits till after she signs a contract that she cant work weekends. I am looking at this as a non-Jew (obviously as a Jew, I empathize and think that every effort should be made to work out these things). If you said no special requests on interview and later asked for Shabbatot off, I would be upset. Perhaps I am seeing it from an individual viewpoint, what do y'all think of this? |
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Post by chayan on Dec 5, 2010 9:30:18 GMT -5
Yes, I thought I was doing the only fair and decent thing, by mentioning shabbos up front. If that makes me unhireable, so be it. Of course she will never offer any explanation for why I wasn't chosen because that will only open her up to liability...
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Post by medic09 on Dec 5, 2010 11:16:02 GMT -5
VaAsita hatov v'hayashar
Achot is generally right. Still, if they *don't* ask; timing becomes an issue. I would definitely/always have brought up Shabbat and Yom Tov *before* committing and signing. On the other hand, you don't want to mention it very first thing. Once they decide you're a generally good candidate, you have more of a fair chance that they'll work with you to mutual benefit. This discussion has come up before on this forum. But the hillul hashem potential is there is you wait too late and they think they were manipulated.
In one case where they didn't know about such things, I explained and was innocently told 'we can't work everybody's schedule around this'. (Small EMS crew, FD type scheduling) I simply withdrew my application, and thanked them for their time.
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Post by achot on Dec 5, 2010 15:38:14 GMT -5
Medic is certainly correct, you dont and shouldnt mention your limitations such as Shabbat and Chagim the first thing, once you have charmed them and convinced them that they want you, then say, "you will not be sorry if I join your nursing staff, I will work hard, honestly and be as flexible as I can- however I am a Sabbath observer and will need some flexibility there. Ii can work every Sat night, Sunday, etc. " BTW I have had to make several compromises in my nsg career for this. but it is worth it  All I can say is that if you keep the Shabbat, the Shabbat will 'keep' you, I am sure bezchus your honesty and keeping the Shabbat, ur dream job is around the corner (I will be davening for you and all the frum nurses in chul) |
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Post by chayan on Dec 5, 2010 16:15:25 GMT -5
Thank you all for the support... the truth is that I'm feeling very dispirited right now and I just don't have cheshek for continuing the job search...
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Post by achot on Dec 5, 2010 17:33:24 GMT -5
Thank you all for the support... the truth is that I'm feeling very dispirited right now and I just don't have cheshek for continuing the job search... Oh, I am so sorry, I didnt mean to dampen your spirits, please forgive me, as I wrote, the job that Hashem wants for you is waiting for you, As you wrote you didnt want the job in Albany anyway. Please be patient, persistent and DONT give up! That is the Yetzer hara pressuring us. Here in Israel we are mourning a terrible tragedy but I hear all around me voices of hope and rebuilding. These are tough times, can you occupy yourself with whatever you can find in the meantime (is there a school nursing position, nursing home, doctors office...). I know that it is asking a lot, and I know it isnt fair- the job market stinks right now, Tachshove tove, tihiyeh tov! |
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Post by achot on Dec 5, 2010 17:36:55 GMT -5
By the way, we once had a frum (ultra orthodox) nurse come looking for a job and her first question / demand had to do with the kitchens kashrut. SHe wanted to interview the Rav Hamachshir and ask how he checks for bugs, separates milk and dairy etc. While these things are important, for the NURSING position, they are irrelevant and her answer was: If I am feeding patients, I cant feed them treif so I have to know the kashrut of the kitchen first!!!
She was shown the door...
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Post by chayan on Dec 5, 2010 17:48:44 GMT -5
You're right, I wasn't really looking to move to Albany, but I'm just seeing big STOP signs wherever I turn.
Anyway, LOL on the kitchen nurse!!! I'm applying for nurse, not mashgicha, thankyouverymuch.
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