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Post by medic09 on Nov 13, 2008 23:06:29 GMT -5
I just wanted to wish you all a sweet, holy, restful, excellent SHABBAT SHALOM! What a great hesed you all do! Ashreichem! (I think we need little Smileys with kippot and snoods, eh? )
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Post by medic09 on Nov 11, 2008 6:53:40 GMT -5
Meirav, I would suggest that just like in the US you contact the schools directly. Back when I started college in '76, some had different requirements for students from North America (no psychometric, but required SAT instead), some had only 'Israeli' requirements, and some even worked with you if someone liked your attitude (protektzia of sorts).
Nefesh B'nefesh may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Tzenius
Nov 9, 2008 14:44:54 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Nov 9, 2008 14:44:54 GMT -5
Rivka, I don't see how to upload attachments here, so I've emailed to you some documents on the subject of pants for women. Of special interest is the letter/teshuvah from Rav Elimelech Bar-Shaul z"l of Rehovot in the second 'packet'.
I certainly don't want the lenient position in my house to stir up trouble or to be taken in any way as contradicting the rabbanim whom you all might ask. I am simply trying to stir the pot in terms of limud Torah, l'hagdil Torah u'lhadirah...
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Post by medic09 on Nov 9, 2008 10:44:47 GMT -5
There are quite a few online RN-to-BSN programs. Many are run by state universities. I know UNM (where I trained) has one. If you Google it, I expect you'll get quite a few hits.
BTW, there's a great BSN/Paramedic program in Israel. At least two hospitals doing it, when I was there last Pesah. Why not take time off and go to school where a Jew belongs? ;-)
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Tzenius
Nov 9, 2008 10:41:38 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Nov 9, 2008 10:41:38 GMT -5
I'll see if I can scan some of that material. Most of the teshuvot I had to borrow back then, but I probably have summary material. For sure I have R. Shmuel Katz's Kedoshim Teheyu, which was a classic and standard in Dati Leumi circles when I was younger. He would have a summary and sources there.
When I get home in the morning, I have to be sure to daven RIGHT AWAY. Any delay at all, and I'm falling asleep. Then I end up with a truncated davenning, just to 'get it done'. I'm glad I work only one or two nights a week! Really messes up learning Torah, too. The talit goes on just for davenning and breakfast. I don't usually sleep with tzitzit on. When I get up in the afternoon, the talit katan goes back on when I get dressed.
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Post by medic09 on Nov 9, 2008 10:14:12 GMT -5
Rivka, not asking so that you can AVOID working on Shabbat is pretty original! I like that! Usually it is the other way around. Students, nurses, residents all feel pressured in many places and dare not speak up about things like Shabbat and Yom Tov. (Attendings have much less problem, typically; though there, too, they can come under serious pressure.)
Thank you for starting this board! It has great potential. Where are all the other OJNs, I wonder? I'm sure there could be some great participation, in time. And I know of nothing else like this.
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Post by medic09 on Nov 6, 2008 13:35:19 GMT -5
How are you all dealing with you questions of halacha?
My wife and I have seen several explicit approaches to this among medical folks:
1. I don't ask. I don't want to know. I have a hard enough time as it is.
2. I only ask when I think I can handle the answer. Some things I don't want to know.
3. I ask about anything that seems a question to me.
Obviously, there are no lack of potential issues; as evidenced in some of the threads here. Dress, yihud, tzniut, lashon hara, when to treat a patient of the opposite gender, when not to, how much, carrying out an order to d/c life support, participating in elective abortion,bringing hospital food to a Jewish patient...etc.
And who do you ask? Colleagues, your community rav, a rav who has particular understanding of our work environments?
Lastly, is anyone compiling nurses' questions and the answers, guidance, piskei halacha that they receive? THAT would be very useful. There isn't much practical halacha published out there at the level of patient care that we do. Much is directed at medical decision making or personal mitzvah observance; much less at the patient care issues that dominate what we do.
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Tzenius
Nov 6, 2008 12:52:33 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Nov 6, 2008 12:52:33 GMT -5
Hmmm, I must be the only guy here. But nonetheless interested in any issues of minhag and halacha that are impacted by our profession. When my wife did Path residency, she tried scrub skirts for a while. She hated them. Since she occasionally wears pants anyway (usually with a long something hanging over the top), she simply went to wearing regular baggy scrub bottoms. Blame me for showing her the relevant teshuvot about women wearing pants for utilitarian (work, etc.) purposes. By the time she had gone to FP residency, she had given up on skirts at work for the most part. Mind you, I don't think having to give up on the skirts bothered her that much. She always covers her hair. Mitpahot don't work well for her, because the tails get in the way. She varies between a beret sort of hat that completely covers her hair, and sheitels. During residencies, in the OR, she found surgical caps that worked OK. Now that she is practicing clinical medicine in a pretty controlled environment (office, clinic, and lab at Los Alamos Nat. Labs) it isn't much of problem. The sheitels tend to come out when she is giving a presentation. Says she feels better. For me, of course, there isn't much issue here. I were pants and a t-shirt in the ED most of the time. I work nights, and don't wear a talit katan (not a tzniut issue, of course). When I work days, the tzitzit stay tucked in just to keep them out of the way. When I wear a flight suit, the talit katan is all inside it, anyway. I always wear a kippah. We have an observant MD who does not when he is seeing patients, though he does outside the hospital. There is a school of thought that says maybe an obvious religious symbol might impede good patient rapport.
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Post by medic09 on Nov 6, 2008 12:34:32 GMT -5
I simply say that we recognize he was a historical figure, but that traditionally Judaism doesn't give him much thought. That at that point in our history, there were quite a few sects that came and went. For us, J's followers were just another of those groups; except that they persisted by leaving Judaism and going out on their own.
The shorter the better in most cases.
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Post by medic09 on Nov 6, 2008 12:25:36 GMT -5
My wife and I presently live in Santa Fe, NM. We came here for her work, and constantly try to tweak our plan to return to Israel. My BSN is from UNM. Bsc. from Touro. Educated in yeshivot in Israel, with a teaching cert from Shaalvim. I work as an ED nurse, and a flight paramedic. I'm also quite involved with a little hevra called Kol BeRamah, www.kolberamah.org. Before we came out here, I was teaching g'mara, humash, and navi at Maimonides School in Boston and worked Sundays as a paramedic. My 'ideal life' at this point would be to spend half a day in Rav Drori's beit midrash in Kiryat Shmonah, and half a day either in the ED (would have to be Tzfat or Tverya) or on the ambulance/helicopter for Magen David Adom. Would have to leave time for hiking the Golan and Galil. Meantime, we're trying to do some good in this galut... ;-)
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Post by medic09 on Nov 6, 2008 12:16:31 GMT -5
Shalom Aleichem!
I'm new here, but the question is close to my heart like it is to many.
As for NPs, at present the job title and description doesn't exist in Israel. Historically, nurses in places like kibbutzim were practicing some level of 'grey medicine'. In the last few years the discussion has come up to formalize such arrangements; especially given that not many doctors are choosing to live very far from the larger cities. I do not know if there is any consideration for using NPs (such as ACNP) in the hospitals. The Israel Medical Association has so far objected to the whole thing. Supposedly they don't object completely, but they would want tight control over the situation.
I remember the Jerusalem Post running an article on this not so long ago, but I can't locate it. Maybe try contacting Judy Siegel-Itzkovitch at the Post. She actually responds, and would probably be able to point you in the right direction.
B'hatzlaha!
mordechai y. scher santa fe
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