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Post by Rivka P on Nov 9, 2008 0:22:19 GMT -5
Whenever I have had to change because I got bodily fluids on my scrubs, I wore pants. I tried wearing an isolation gown on top of my scrubs, which sometimes worked, depending on how warm I was feeling. Can you post a link to the teshuvot that you showed your wife? When you worked nights and didn't wear tzitzit, did you put them on when you came home and went to sleep? Working nights is terrible for tefilah schedules, huh? I was so lax with that when I was working nights.
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Tzenius
Nov 9, 2008 10:41:38 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Nov 9, 2008 10:41:38 GMT -5
I'll see if I can scan some of that material. Most of the teshuvot I had to borrow back then, but I probably have summary material. For sure I have R. Shmuel Katz's Kedoshim Teheyu, which was a classic and standard in Dati Leumi circles when I was younger. He would have a summary and sources there.
When I get home in the morning, I have to be sure to daven RIGHT AWAY. Any delay at all, and I'm falling asleep. Then I end up with a truncated davenning, just to 'get it done'. I'm glad I work only one or two nights a week! Really messes up learning Torah, too. The talit goes on just for davenning and breakfast. I don't usually sleep with tzitzit on. When I get up in the afternoon, the talit katan goes back on when I get dressed.
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Tzenius
Nov 9, 2008 14:44:54 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Nov 9, 2008 14:44:54 GMT -5
Rivka, I don't see how to upload attachments here, so I've emailed to you some documents on the subject of pants for women. Of special interest is the letter/teshuvah from Rav Elimelech Bar-Shaul z"l of Rehovot in the second 'packet'.
I certainly don't want the lenient position in my house to stir up trouble or to be taken in any way as contradicting the rabbanim whom you all might ask. I am simply trying to stir the pot in terms of limud Torah, l'hagdil Torah u'lhadirah...
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Tzenius
Nov 10, 2008 23:52:08 GMT -5
Post by chavamom on Nov 10, 2008 23:52:08 GMT -5
I wear a scrub skirt and it is fine even for the OR. We have hospital supplied scrubs but there is a policy for home laundry. RE: the "allnurses" link, I have worked in hospitals where if you wore skirts, hose/stocking were required in the OR, but I don't think that current recommendations say that. Honestly if something were to "fall out" it would be down to the (very non-sterile) floor, not up into the surgical field. We don't even have to wear shoe covers any more for that very reason - you only wear them if you want to protect your shoes. I cover my hair with a cloth OR scrub hat something like this one
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Tzenius
Nov 10, 2008 23:52:33 GMT -5
Post by chavamom on Nov 10, 2008 23:52:33 GMT -5
Wait - do photos work on this forum? There ya' go!
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Tzenius
Nov 10, 2008 23:55:28 GMT -5
Post by chavamom on Nov 10, 2008 23:55:28 GMT -5
When I was a student and did clinicals in places like the cath-lab that required scrubs, they gave me a surgical gown to wear for the day over the scrubs. They fall well below the knees.
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Tzenius
Nov 12, 2008 8:00:53 GMT -5
Post by iriska on Nov 12, 2008 8:00:53 GMT -5
Another cool website with skirts in a great variety of colors, good quality fabric and fast shipping: www.highdesignuniform.com/skirts-001.htmIt does have a small slit in the back but you can sew it up if you want. I'm tall and size small covers my knees in all positions.
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Tzenius
Jan 8, 2009 23:34:42 GMT -5
Post by harnof on Jan 8, 2009 23:34:42 GMT -5
I'm so glad to have found this great site. Thank you!
I am returning to nursing after a 19 yr. absence! I've completed an approved "refresher" course and now begin the clinical portion which is 160 hr in the clinical setting. I have managed to find the last and probably the only uniform skirt in my large city. Fortunately the skirt is a size "M". I didn't even try it on. There were no others.
Question: Please would some of you post your photos in your uniforms so I can decide what is the best look/style. I am required to wear navy scrub top and pants but I am obviously wearing the skirt. Do you wear nude hose or white. Socks or tennis socks? How can I do this with some style and professionalism? What do you suggest as far as the best shoes for our work? Thanks for any suggestions. BA
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Post by medic09 on Jan 9, 2009 1:58:15 GMT -5
I just wanted to say welcome, harnof.
Obviously I have no input on your uniform matters.
I look forward to your input as a veteran nurse!
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Tzenius
Jan 9, 2009 10:40:24 GMT -5
Post by Rivka P on Jan 9, 2009 10:40:24 GMT -5
BA, welcome and tell your friends!
I bought all my uniform skirts online. I once asked in a store if they had a skirt and they showed me a mini skirt. They got a quick "no thanks!" from me. I think there's a link on here for a website with scrub skirts for sale. Try ALLHEART.com because they have a pretty large selection of brands. I was able to buy a scrub dress from a store, but it only covered my knees because I am just 5 feet. ;-) There are some advantages to being short. The uniform in my hospital was that all nurses wore all white, so in the winter I wore white tights that I also found online, in order to keep warm. In the summer, I wore short socks and my co-workers we shocked that I was allowed to show my leg. I know there are halachic opinions who would disagree, but that's my minhag that I am comfortable with. Once, in nursing school I wore nude stockings or knee his and my instructor came over and said "I know it's warm out, but it's really important to wear socks" and I had to show her that I was wearing stockings... she couldn't even tell. In nursing school I wore navy blue plasticy shoes that squeaked. Once I got a job, I noticed many nurses wearing sneakers, so I just wore a pair of white sneakers, which served me well, being on my feet a lot.
hope that helps you!
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Tzenius
Jan 11, 2009 7:38:24 GMT -5
Post by achot on Jan 11, 2009 7:38:24 GMT -5
It isn't just jewish or pentacostal nurses who should worry about tznius, I shudder when I see a coworker with an aluring or tight or revealing "uniform". It brings down and shames the whole profession. Recently a Jerusalem Med School had its orientation party . We nurses were horrified by the invites and decorating theme of a nurse improperly attired and in a position that was not dignified. Letters were written and complaints filed, the response was "Youre exagerating, its all in good fun" SO Sisters, I implore you to worry about the image that we are projecting and its more than just how we cover our knees, elbows and hair. There is a need to respect ourselves, our profession and our reputations.
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Tzenius
Jan 11, 2009 10:12:08 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Jan 11, 2009 10:12:08 GMT -5
Shalom Achot and welcome to the forum! I agree with everything you say. I will note on the side that while the Hebrew Achot or Achayot would translate as Sisters (as you used it), we do have at least (only?!) one Ach here - me! ;D Reminds me of the first time I showed up at the CON at UNM. The woman whose office I went to was busy, head down, busily writing away. In order to acknowledge that there was someone at her door, she said over her shoulder 'yes m'am, how can I help you?' And so, my introduction to the profession of nursing...
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chanab
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Tzenius
Jan 11, 2009 12:47:18 GMT -5
Post by chanab on Jan 11, 2009 12:47:18 GMT -5
medic09 - LOL! Yes, men in nursing does force people to go against the grain. Our male LPN always gives me a look when I walk into the break room and say an all-incluseive "good morning ladies". (And that's with a father whose a nurse!) BA - I can't help you with head covering recommendations in that setting, but you have just described our nursing school uniform req's. I would match my navy top with white t-shirt, skirt, tights, and shoes, occasionaly anklet or no-see socks over my tights to help with sweaty feet. I had some more sheer tights while in school, but I've found Target brand white Merona opaque tights offer good leg covering when you're wearing a skirt and are pretty comfortable for a whole shift. The image actually seemed more in line with traditional nurses based on some of the comments I got from pts and hospital staff.
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Tzenius
Jan 11, 2009 14:22:00 GMT -5
Post by achot on Jan 11, 2009 14:22:00 GMT -5
While I am aware that there are many male nurses in the field, Baruch Hashem, we still use the female plural version when talking to a group as the vast majority are female. Nothing personal. In my Nsg School class we had like 5 guys to 100 girls. Actually here in Israel we have many male arab nurses. When I was posting about "Sisters" I obviously meant the girls, Sorry, I will try to be sensitive to your gender as well.
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Tzenius
Jan 11, 2009 14:27:13 GMT -5
Post by medic09 on Jan 11, 2009 14:27:13 GMT -5
Achot!
I assure you, I was kidding!
Actually, I remember back in the 70s and 80s that most of the achim were Arabs. Or so it seemed. The only nurse/paramedic I know at MDA is an Arab.
As my father a'h would've said, ' you can call me anything, just not late for supper...'.
Good to have your input on the forum!
;D
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