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Post by Rivka P on Jun 18, 2008 8:24:21 GMT -5
Many orthodox Jews always have Israel in our hearts and minds. - What can you tell me about nurses in Israel?
- What about Nurse Practitioners?
- Are you considering aliyah?
Any input is beneficial.
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chanab
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Post by chanab on Jun 18, 2008 16:09:58 GMT -5
Funny you should ask... I was just in E"Y in February and actually spent an afternoon walking to Sharei Tzeddek to ask if I could shadow some nurses there. It was before I was licensed and they said no, but they did give me the number for a woman in charge of nursing at the Ministry of Health. (I wrote all this down but am in the process of moving and can't find the paper, so pardon my vagueness). From her I found out that they much prefer a BSN to my ASN (which apparently, and I quote, 'This degree is problem'). If you do have a BSN or higher though there are 2-3 courses you must take, I believe mostly having to do with Israeli medical law, and emergency trauma care (a big issue there unfortunately). You also have to go through regular Ulpan and then a specialized med terminology Ulpan. You can take the Nursing competency test in Hebrew or English (Hebrew is offered twice a year, English is only offered once a year - can't remember when) but you also have to take a test in Hebrew to demonstrate sufficient command of the language. And apparently American-trained nurses shouldn't have any trouble finding a job there. Hope at least some of that was helpful!
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Post by Rivka P on Jul 21, 2008 2:50:06 GMT -5
yes, helpful. Did you ask about nurse practitioners?
esthern, can you post the link you sent me once about the new program for NPs in Israel? thanks!
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Post by psyched on Sept 3, 2008 14:57:38 GMT -5
Rivka, are you a NP? If you go to the nefesh b'nefesh website, they tell you everything you have to do. It's basically what Chanab said, but they make it a little more complicated. Enough to make me want to think "forget it"
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Post by Rivka P on Sept 3, 2008 15:02:53 GMT -5
I am not an NP yet, but it's part of my plan. I am taking the GRE's at the end of this month so I can apply for grad school. I definately hear you about all the complicated details. I have been feeling discouraged about aliyah as well. I used to be so gung-ho about it...
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Post by medic09 on Nov 6, 2008 12:16:31 GMT -5
Shalom Aleichem!
I'm new here, but the question is close to my heart like it is to many.
As for NPs, at present the job title and description doesn't exist in Israel. Historically, nurses in places like kibbutzim were practicing some level of 'grey medicine'. In the last few years the discussion has come up to formalize such arrangements; especially given that not many doctors are choosing to live very far from the larger cities. I do not know if there is any consideration for using NPs (such as ACNP) in the hospitals. The Israel Medical Association has so far objected to the whole thing. Supposedly they don't object completely, but they would want tight control over the situation.
I remember the Jerusalem Post running an article on this not so long ago, but I can't locate it. Maybe try contacting Judy Siegel-Itzkovitch at the Post. She actually responds, and would probably be able to point you in the right direction.
B'hatzlaha!
mordechai y. scher santa fe
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Post by chavamom on Nov 10, 2008 23:41:52 GMT -5
CNM's used to be able to get reciprocity, but I hear from my neighbor who briefly made aliyah that this is not the case anymore? That you have to do the entire 9 mos. Israeli course? Can anyone clarify that one?
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Post by meirav on Nov 11, 2008 4:09:20 GMT -5
Anyone know what prequisites I need for nursing school in Israel? I have a regular USA high school diploma
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Post by medic09 on Nov 11, 2008 6:53:40 GMT -5
Meirav, I would suggest that just like in the US you contact the schools directly. Back when I started college in '76, some had different requirements for students from North America (no psychometric, but required SAT instead), some had only 'Israeli' requirements, and some even worked with you if someone liked your attitude (protektzia of sorts).
Nefesh B'nefesh may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Post by achot on Jan 11, 2009 7:59:08 GMT -5
I live, work and raise my family in Jerusalem. Don't sweat the small stuff, come and iron it all out here like I did. If u r sincere and a good nurse- it will work out. There is a tremendous lack of nurses, The nursing schools here do a terrible job (in general) in training their nurses and I have to retrain them anyway when they join my staff, I am now retraining a Sharei Zedek trained nurse and she is amazed at the diference. JUST COME, i wil meet you and greet u at the airport, help u as much is possible, WE NEED U
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Post by chanab on Jan 11, 2009 12:29:16 GMT -5
achot - what type of setting do you work in? clinic? hospital? office? I am going back to school to obtain my BSN so I can eventually work in E"Y, but I'm nervous about working there given some of the hospital horror stories I've heard from friends. Was it lack of training that makes the care my friend received seem sub-standard, or are gov't/hospital guidelines the problem? I don't want my American training to create a conflict with the environment I eventually end up working in, becuase I do aspire to live/work there and I don't ever want to have feelings of regret about it once I get there.
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Post by achot on Jan 11, 2009 14:27:57 GMT -5
I am not a fan of Israeli trained nurses, to tell you the truth , I could give you horror stories as well. I personaly work in a Nsg Home because I didn't want to work Shabatot and was given this perk at the places I have worked, The problems that I see all come from lack of caring. I;m not saying that there aren't caring nurses here, but unfortunately, many are uncaring , callous, snobby etc. The Russian nurses at least have excellent work ethics so 'Yatza hefsaydo be'schoro As an American working here you will be respected, the Israeli's will want to learn from you, If you hold onto the tenets that you learned in nsg school, you will go far, I have never regretted my decision to move here, work here, raise my kids here, etc. May Hashem help you and guide you
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Post by Rivka P on Sept 21, 2009 22:08:44 GMT -5
achot, I was doing some reading about Certified Nurse Specialist vs Nurse Practitioners. I am starting a program to become a Family Nurse Practitioner. Do you know how that will be considered in Israel?
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Post by achot on Sept 22, 2009 5:56:39 GMT -5
I really have no idea, you will have to ask, I know some Nurse Practitioners here who work for the American Embassy and get credit for their work and status. I will ask (b"ezrat Hashem)
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Post by Rivka P on Dec 20, 2009 21:28:07 GMT -5
OK new question for you, achot. A girl from Philadelphia who was living in Israel just died from complications involving eclampsia. I have heard other bad stories about giving birth in Israel as well. Do you have experience with this that you can share? In general, I just don't know what my faith in the medical system in Israel is, and since I work in healthcare, that's clearly a priority for me. What can you respond to either validate or allay my fears?
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